All Things CloudFest 2024 Hackathon with Christian, Carole and Alain

Robert:
Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Woo DevChat at Do the Woo. And we are having a great time today talking with the folks who are running CloudFest and the CloudFest Hackathon. I’m very excited to have my guests here, Carole Olinger. Alain Schlesser and Christian Yeager. Welcome everyone.

Carole:
Hi there.

Alain:
Hello. Hi.

Robert:
Thank you for having us. It’s certainly our pleasure. I don’t know exactly when this will go up, but we’ll be close less than a month away before Cloud Fest and the Cloud Fest Hackathon. And I guess in order of the activities, let’s kick it off with CloudFest and lead organizer, Carol Olinger.

Carole:
Yeah, my name is Carole and I am the head of CloudFest Hackathon, which is going to be our main topic today. And yeah, I’m doing that for several years in a row and it is really one of my favorite projects during the year. And yeah, this year we are going to be celebrating also the 20th anniversary of CloudFest, so we are even more excited about what …

Christian:
Makes us old.

Carole:
What is expecting us during CloudFest and the days leading to the main event, CloudFest are all about the CloudFest Hackathon and the WP Day. So I am passing over the mic to Alarm who is one of the project mentors during the CloudFest Hackathon. So what are your thoughts on this year’s event?

Alain:
Yes, thanks. I am really looking forward to this year’s event. The Cloudless Hackathon has always been a fantastic event that highlights some of the creative problem solving of the open source community. It allows open source contributors to come together via the funds of the general sponsors, of course, to tackle some of the projects that can bring the open source CMSs and larger open source hosting ecosystems forward. And in the past we had some very influential projects that have gone on to really have an impact that came out of this hackathon. And so I’m looking forward to this year’s setup of projects that we have to see what will come out of it.

Robert:
That’s excellent. Really. It’s interesting because as Carole mentioned, this is going to be the 20th CloudFest but Hackathon is relatively new. Christian, can you tell us a little bit about what got that CloudFest Hackathon going in the first place? Yeah, thank you very

Christian:
Much. The hackathon, the first edition I actually came to join was 2022. The first edition we did at CloudFest was 2019, Carole, is that right?

Carole:
Actually, I think there was a few previously, but that was even before I was involved. I think it started around 2016.

Christian:
See it says seventh edition. I should just look at our website. So 20 years of CloudFest, it’s going to be the seventh hackathon, the biggest one ever. And the reason why we do it is there’s actually two reasons. One of it, it opens for us as a conference organizer. It opens up or it builds a bridge to a totally different audience, namely the CMS contributors and also how to activate our typical attendees, which are cloud service provider to take a more active role in our ecosystem, namely by helping or supporting the hackathon, which is a project by the way, which is not run for profit obviously, but it’s to really enable the community to hack or contribute and really design new products. And if I may say, so the first edition 2022, I had little idea besides what Carol, of course told me what’s going to happen. So I thought it’s going to be a room full of tech and geeky people eating pizza. And actually it was, but we didn’t have pizza, but we had that the German French equivalent, which is called Flammkuchen. But actually only after the event, I realized the enormous work and the value the hackers contribute. And not because I understood what everyone was doing, but I understood the impact it had for our core attendee group, which is called service providers. So I’m super happy I became a super fan ever since I attended, and I’m really looking forward to the biggest one yet. Carole did an excellent job and along with the selection of projects, so really looking forward to it.

Robert:
It’s hard keeping track of everything Christian with being the CEO of CloudFest.

Christian:
We are trying hard, we’re a good team here.

Robert:
So Carol, last year was easily the biggest hackathon in my memory. How many folks did we have and how many projects?

Carole:
So we basically had around 120 attendees last year and we worked on 11 projects and that was also what we determined the good size for the event. So this year our attention was not to actually make it bigger, so we wanted to stay with the 120 attendees. But what is really interesting is of course we invite a little bit more people because plans may change and it’s always a few people that are not being able to make it. Then sadly Visa arrangements cannot be realized. But this year we invited more people to end up with 120 and it’s unbelievable. Every single person confirmed. So that is really a testimonial to the people that are applying to attend this event, do it because they know they will be there. So that being said, here’s the teaser. We are going to be 140 people for this edition.

Robert:
Oh boy.

Carole:
Still working on 11, obviously different projects. So this is for real going to be the biggest CloudFest Hackathon ever.

Robert:
Brilliant. Congratulations. Before we dive into this year’s projects and put Alight on the spot, who are the, well, let’s forward a little bit of the format because there are some winners and second place and third place, and how does that work and who were our champions last year? So we only have champions at CloudFest. Yeah, just want to say well said Chris.

Carole:
Yeah, so let me pick up this question. So basically we introduced last year based on the feedback that we got from attendees from previous years. So-called Friendly competition. We did that already in the addition of 2022, but in 2023 we brought it to a next level where we wanted to support a charity organization with the awards that we are basically select winners for. So what we did is we reached out to our partner companies and attendee companies and ask them to sponsor the different award categories that we defined for this year. So for example, we are going to have a future of the web award. We are going to have a social media master award, which is a really good one because it’s done at the award in the team that creates the most boss during the hackathon on social media. And there are three more categories and an overall hackathon winner.
And all these awards are tied to a sponsorship from one of our dear partners for the event. And everything that we are going to be raising in terms of money is going to go integrally to the Groundbreaker talents initiative, which is really amazing and dear to my heart because it empowers and supports female developers in Uganda. So last year we managed to fund a whole year of scholarship for a CO developer. And with the help of CloudFirst, we invited that person to this year’s hackathon. So we will be able to all meet in person, our dear Vanessa, who already got certified with the Groundbreaker Talents program.

Robert:
It’s amazing. I saw the email from CloudFest earlier this week or was it last week? And that really is one of the great things about what happens at the hackathon, what happens at CloudFest in general, and Groundbreakers is really a fantastic organization. It is just so cool. I want to touch on a little slightly technical before we dive into the projects. This is primarily open source. I don’t know if it’s exclusively, but it’s close to it. Would that be fair?

Alain:
It is all meant to serve the open source community either directly or indirectly. So there might be projects where there’s no actual code being produced, for example. So saying everything is 100% open source is difficult if there’s different ways that value can be produced. But in the end, all the value that is being produced will serve the open source communities and we specifically pick projects in that regard as well so that they serve a greater purpose and are not just a marketing vehicle or a product offering of a single company or so. So while not everything, as I said, will technically be open source, everything lives under the open source spirit.

Robert:
And I remember specifically that I think it was in 22, that the Joomla team that was there put together more of an open source specification rather than actual code to paper code to computer pet to paper code to computer. So yeah, there are some interesting opportunities. So yeah, let’s dive into the 11 projects that’ll be going on at the CloudFest Hackathon, I’ll let you run through whatever order you want.

Carole:
Yeah. Then let’s start maybe. So I don’t want to go into the profoundest details here because as far as I know, and I’m going to tease, I’m going to be teasing once more. There’s going to be an episode where the actual project leads will deep dive, dive deep, dive deep into their project themselves. So we don’t want to do that twice. But I’m just going to pick a project that is particularly dear to my heart, which is the inclusive language checker for open source contributors, which is going to be led by Birgit Olsen. So where the primary goal of the project is to standardize accessible and inclusive documentation guidelines across different WordPress teams. So this is also a project that is very much tied to the values that we as organizers want to share with and for this event. So accessibility and diversity and inclusivity are really important to us. And in order to have the attendees for this event really representing the industry and having them more diverse, it was also important for us to be on the lookout for projects that represent these core values for what they are aiming for as goal setting. So this is one example and I am also super proud to say that we have a female lead for this project and teaser again, it’s not the only one. So that is one which I’m particularly excited about.

Alain:
Every project has a very special place in this hackathon, I guess. So yeah, let me preface this by saying that we had an overarching goal this year because last year we noticed that there was a bit of a separation between the different ecosystems, between the different CMSs. And so this time we added some active involvement to make sure that the projects are more collaborations between CMS and between ecosystems. So where last year for example, as you mentioned, Joomla did a project where they worked as a team on one feature for their open source offering. This time around we want the Joomla folks to spread over the spread along the projects. We want to have the CMS garden being involved area and so on and so forth. So there was an active effort that we did to make sure that we don’t have islands of ecosystems that all work on their own separate projects, but there’s a lot of cooperation going on between the individual ecosystems.

Carole:
For example, we do have a project that is targeting different CMS at the same time, which is called CMS Health checks, which is led by Neil Lanner, where you do already have commitment from Joomla, Drupal and type of three communities together with WordPress one. So that’s a really exciting one. We do have an accessibility project, which is also targeting all the CMSs and the industry at large because accessibility is important to all of them equally, right? This is called can Everyone Use, which is going to be led by Anika Bob. And then we do have a MariaDB project, which is also going to be equally important to different CMS project. It’s going to be led by Andrew Hutchings directly from the MariaDB Foundation. And the goal is to integrate MariaDB catalogs with PhD platforms. So that’s definitely projects like Alan said, that are targeting multiple CMSs and not only WordPress, while of course knowing that WordPress has the biggest market share and is according to its market share, also a little bit more represented amongst attendees of the CloudFest Hackathon.

Robert:
Yeah, it does look like there are two more specific WordPress projects for the hackathon, but it feels like it’ll be less than last year, which is great, but it does, and I don’t want to leave Chris out of the conversation being bombarded with technical information. Last year was also the first year for sort of the WordPress day. How did that come about

Christian:
WordPress or when I started in the business in 2011, and I keep repeating that sentence even though it doesn’t have to do something with WordPress is in 2011 everybody told me VPS is dead and shared hosting is dead. And now we are 2024 and it’s still probably the two most compelling products for pretty much all mass market providers. Now there is of course a second incumbent and a new layer which is added to this equation, which is WordPress.

Robert:
So you’re saying WordPress that just like VPS and shared hosting,

Christian:
It’s like Exactly. WordPress, is that this is what I’m saying? No, it’s actually as that as the other two. And the reason is that it became one of the anchors for many of our visitors. So they all either already have WordPress offerings or they are even now not concentrating on getting new customers in, taking over other hosting companies. More consolidation. No, they’re even looking into WordPress. They can integrate into their own offerings in order to say, well, I have this add-on which is exclusively available at my service. And that undermines a little bit the importance of WordPress in that particular case. And this is also the main motivation where we said, okay, there’s so much in here. There’s so many requests at the hackathon initially dealing with WordPress that we have to do something more. And this is when we were approached last year, Hey, wouldn’t you be able to do this start firsts earlier?
We don’t need a specific content and we would rather like to share ideas. And it was a big success. The room was packed. We also had a few learnings from organizational point of view, and this is why we did it this year, even more professional. We made it part of the official agenda. So it starts basically a day earlier. People don’t have during CloudFest, they’re super busy with meetings and attending other sessions, but the Monday seems to be a good day where in the afternoon everybody’s already on site and has time to be invested into sharing the recent knowledge about WordPress. And this is why we said, okay, this is the perfect topic, the perfect place, let’s make something out of it. And this is how WP Day was designed.

Robert:
And since we’re on do the Woo, of course there’ll be WooCommerce conversations as well. So it’s actually a very nice kind of lead in throughout almost 10 days of Europa Park Madness, I can’t think of another word except madness because it’s so intense, so productive and so valuable.

Christian:
You would see me on Saturdays super tired, but super happy hopefully. So the Saturday after the entire, I was going to say,

Robert:
So the Saturday after the event, I was going to say which Saturday, definitely not.

Christian:
If it’s the first Saturday, then I made something wrong or the heck has really wanted me to party.

Robert:
A quick question. I don’t think anyone’s ever thought of this. Can folks who arrive early actually take a look at what’s going on in the hackathon peek in, see the winners and sort of the closing ceremonies I guess, of the hackathon?

Carole:
Yeah, actually if they come find me, we can always arrange something, especially if I remember correctly, we did that with pleasure in the evenings so that there wouldn’t be too much of a distraction during the day. But yeah, everyone’s basically welcome to confine me and see if we can do a sneak peek. And it is also very, very good for us in terms of finding new potential partners for the additions to come. So yes, but what we cannot do is accept attendees on spot. So like I said, we are already at 140, so it wouldn’t be possible to just join on a Saturday and say, okay, I’m specifically interested in this project and can I now start hacking here for the next two and a half days? So that’s unfortunately possible because of the success of the event, but if anyone wants to come by and say hi, we can certainly arrange that. And yeah, I’m looking forward to meeting all of you in that case.

Robert:
Yes, I know a lot of travelers from us and maybe Asia we’ll also be coming a day or two early so that it might, first of all, just for time zones, trust me, I know that experience. So I get there a little bit earlier, you mentioned partners and the sponsors. I think it would be a shame if we don’t actually mention the hackathon sponsors since they are the folks that are facilitating, getting the spaces, getting the time, getting the hotel rooms for the hackers, I guess we can call them.

Carole:
Yes, let’s do that. So yeah, this year we do have 12 confirmed partners, and before naming them, we still do have one open slot for a partnership package two and one open slot for partnership package one. So in case anyone out there listening in is interested in getting a board to CloudFest hackathon, please reach out directly to me and you can do that via email carole@CloudFest.com. And like I said, very, very limited spaces. So hurry up.

Robert:
And that’s Carole with an English E at the end, just so people

Carole:
Oh, good one, very good one, very good one. Yeah. C-A-R-O-L_E@CloudFest.com. Yeah, it’s amazing how I know how my name is spelled, but should be amazing.

Robert:
Before we get into that list, I just want to make a very funny aside. Literally everyone on this call has English as a second language. I may be the most native of the speakers, but it actually is a second language as well. So that’s where we’re having a lot of fun with Carole and Alain.

Carole:
But most importantly, let’s name our dear sponsors for the CloudFest Hackathon. So this year we have Intel, Ionos, Inpsyde, HostPress, Group One, Greyd, Codeable , Cloudron, BotGuard, Automattic, and the Alma Linux Open Source Foundation. Thank you.

Robert:
I mean it’s an amazing, amazing group of folks. Definitely some of these are hosting companies, WordPress focus, but even seeing some like Intel supporting the hackathon, that’s a very, I think prestigious for the hackathon as a whole, that such a large organization is putting the money where the mouth is about open source development and all of that.

Carole:
And they’re supporting the hackathon for many years already. And because they’re doing that, I also want to mention that they’re organizing an AI Summit during the first day of CloudFest. So that’s also something I’m looking forward to because that’s the new thing. Everyone wants to be up to date about what’s going on with ai. Even I, and I’m not technical.

Robert:
If I hear AI one more time, I’m going to start doing a Jäegermeister with Carole.

Carole:
Yeah, it’s got to be the most important. If you’re going to do some Bingo competition with the buzzword that has to be in the middle somewhere,

Robert:
It’s like the center square because someone’s going to say it no matter what. So just block it out.

Carole:
Or the drinking game each time.

Christian:
It’s either that or quantum computing. It’s like these two I hear every day.

Robert:
Oh, okay. So I’m going to test you on that because Quantum has actually, at least from an anecdotal perspective, taken a huge back side to ai. Is there anything, I know we’re talking about a hackathon, but it’s fun to get some little snippets about the CloudFest agenda as well in here. Is there going to be anything quantum related?

Christian:
No, actually we had Quantum last year and the year before, so this year we are really focusing a little bit more on ai. And the reason why is it why that’s the case is not to get on your nerves, Robert, even though of course that could be an argument. But the main driver is we ask the audience what specifically they would like to learn. We do a survey called State of the Cloud, and there we collect the feedback of over a thousand cloud service providers, which have already replied. And there were two main replies, which we identified the first one being AI and how does it actually impact my business? Is there a business case for me being maybe not intercompany of the world? So what does it mean? How can I profit from it? Can I actually profit from it? And the second one was the takeover of Broadcom and VMware and whether there’s going to be a partner program anymore.
So another strange topic which is emerging right now. And then the last one is always about, and that’s interesting because it was the same last year, is about international collaboration. How can I learn from other market participants which are maybe doing business next to me or doing with me or maybe even competing? And that’s actually how we derive this year’s theme, which is uniting the nations of cloud because I mean obviously we could talk about nations in the sense where you’re from different countries, we have over 80 different countries attending, but nations could also mean the technological background an attendee has. So there could be a product manager, software developer could be a hardware producing. So these kind of nations. So the fields of interest or whatever you’re going to call it. And this international collaboration of these nations is what clouds is known for.
And the hackathon is a perfect example because without knowing it by heart, there’s already people from all over the world. As Carole already said, we even have our talent from Uganda, which is flying in last year. We were able to finance five talents in total, one coming only out of the hackathon participants, which is freaking awesome this year of course I’m hoping for six. So we will do our part to make that a reality, but it shows that this collaboration part is so important to our audience and to our community and it’s even ever increasing important. So it’s really cool we have the hackathon helping us to achieve that goal.

Robert:
Yeah, I think that’s a great point because I think we have folks from every continent except Antarctica. So I know yet, so I was going to say Christian and Carole next year we need to at least someone who’s maybe spend some time there.

Christian:
Yeah, sure. Let’s do a local meetup. Antarctica.

Robert:
Challenge accepted now. There we go. The challenge for CloudFest 2025 Hackathon, someone who’s been not just a vacation but actually spent time in Antarctica. Okay, okay, that’s good. Folks listening to the podcast, can’t see the weird look Christians giving me like, okay.

Christian:
Was thinking about is the Linux Penguin actually from Antarctica? But I dunno,

Robert:
Nice, but I don’t want to, in fact, I want to even go deeper into this. It’s great how almost like 10 days of a program really works out here because the hackathon gets I think new people who would not traditionally go to CloudFest to see what this global experience is like.

Carole:
We definitely see a huge increase of people. So basically when they sign up we ask them, are you also applying to attend CloudFest? Or maybe do you have already made arrangements? And I can see a huge increase of people transferring their interest from maybe having attended the hackathon a few years back and not so much interested in CloudFest to shifting that. And I would say at least 50 to 60% of the people that are attending the CloudFest hackathon are now attending day one and beyond of the main event. So that certainly is a result of having this complimentary program elements like the WP Day and an AI summit. And so everything we built throughout the last editions, but it’s also a result of the hackathon projects and initiative itself because we built this connection between the deciders and the big companies of the industry and the open source world, the contributors to the open source project. So with that connection being built over the years, it is clear that that shift into the main event cloud first and that is really, really amazing to see. So that’s something I’m actually really proud of.

Robert:
Yeah, I kind of see it in three parts. We have the hackathon, then we have WP Day and the Intel AI Summit and then really sort of that official get ready to meet, what are we looking at? 8,000 people at CloudFest now, plus or minus. Yeah. Even if we’re rock by 10 or 20%, it’s still going to be a huge, huge event. It’s going

Christian:
To be a full house. Please arrive early, bring some patients, especially on Tuesday and Wednesday morning, be ready for queuing. Very British but it’s going to be full house and be ready for getting in line.

Robert:
On sort of a little fun note. How does one survive 10 days?

Carole:
You find out, tell me.

Christian:
Yeah, eating a lot of flammkuchen and some Jäegermeisters.

Carole:
And then there’s crazy people like Robert and me who are going to go to WordCamp Asia the weekend before, which isn’t Taipei, Taiwan for anybody who doesn’t know. So that is definitely going to be an interesting month of March for all of us.

Robert:
Yeah, I’m looking at about three weeks, not at home.

Carole:
I just also wanted to mention there’s something that we didn’t talk about yet about when we were mentioning the projects. What is really important for me to say is also something that we started doing a few additions back when we were trying to have more targeted goal-oriented, diverse and inclusive projects as already done. We were coming up with concept of having project mentors and offering guidance throughout the process of having an idea for a project and then having it set up for the hackathon goal oriented, having the right ed audience defined and making it a success. And in that context, I wanted to mention, so we have Alan here who is one of the project mentors that we have for the lost edition and for this one, but we also have Lucas Radke and both of them are doing such a brilliant work in guiding our project leads through the process and finding and determining the derived projects for our events. So I wanted to give a shout out to both of them and maybe Alan can say a few words more about how the process looks like on their end.

Alain:
Oh yeah, sure. So yeah, I have been doing this already last year together with Lucas. So we are already a properly trained team on dealing with that. And this year we wanted to go through what we’ve learned last year. So last year we were very specific about what types of values we wanted to have represented in the projects and from the ideas that were submitted, we tried to actively shape those so that we could have some of those values represented. So we wanted to have sustainability, accessibility, things, big topics like that, that were represented through the projects. And then we made sure that the projects represented those values and that we had the right people to lead those projects to get a successful outcome. And this year we are still continuing down this trend, but also we learned from last year where everything as I mentioned was a bit too isolated.
So this year it’s also we want to tie everything a bit closer together across the ecosystems. But what I wanted to mention is that from how I perceived this hackathon, it has started as just an annex to the cloud first. But we slowly, we actively worked on making this a more integral part so that we get a proper bridge between the open source communities and the businesses where the value is created and ultimately where the money is being generated. Because oftentimes those topics, it’s a bit of a taboo to mention them in the same sentence, open source and money, they tend to not go well together. And as project mentors we really try to get the general ideas of these open source communities but then produce the version of the project that makes the best use of this specific circumstance where businesses are funding this, where businesses are present at the main event so that the open source community gets proper access to these resources and then can bleed over into this business segment.
And also more importantly, and I think that is often the harder part to do, have the business topic bleed over more into the open source communities, they tend to isolate themselves from that business, but ultimately without required funding, all of these open source projects will ultimately have trouble succeeding. So this amalgamation between the open source spirit and resources that a business focused event and the participants at that event can provide that is just such a powerful happening that happens once per year as far as I know, I don’t know of any similar event happening like this. And as project mentors we try to properly guide the project leads to make sure that they can properly tap into the resources of this specific circumstance.

Robert:
Yeah, I think that is a great point Alain. And if we look at the sponsors for Hackathon, those folks are all sponsoring open source developers day in and day out, either as true sponsorships or as employees within their own companies. So and maybe some kind of strange perfect utopian open source world, everyone could just do what they want and it is critical to have small, medium, large organizations keep open source projects going. And that’s great to see. We are kind of running out of our podcast time before the mysterious man behind the curtain. Bob cuts us off. One little thing I’d like to mention on one of the days, I’m going to let Carole talk to this because she’s done so much of the work we are having Rainbow in the Cloud. If you can just give a little, when is it, where is it and what’s it about?

Carole:
Oh yeah, I’m so excited about that. So this year CloudFest is going to host the very first diversity and LGBTQ plus event, which is called Rainbow in the cloud. You’ve got to love that name. Do you? Right? So Rainbow in the Cloud is going to happen on the second day of CloudFest, which is Tuesday, March 19th after the main concert concert in the hotel in the bar called Commedia dell’Arte, which is also known as the karaoke bar.

Robert:
Yes, the karaoke bar.

Carole:
And not surprisingly there is going to the karaoke, but more than that we are going to have a few very colorful and glittery surprises for you during that event. And the main goal besides obviously raising awareness for having a more diverse and pride friendly industry and including that like showcasing this during CloudFest because that’s the values that we all care for in the organizing team and as an industry, we also thought it would be really, really great supporting a few charities in that matter with the event we are organizing. So long story short, again, we reached out to our partners, so the partner companies of CloudFest, but also attending companies for CloudFest to sponsor this site event. And a minimum of 50% of all the money we connect toward this site event is going to go to three different charities that we chose. And one is a female empowerment company, which is called Anita B, the other one is out in tech and the third one is called Rainbow Railroad. So again, if anyone hears the call and feels like, hey this is so amazing and I want to support this, please reach out to me on Carol with an e@CloudFest.com and we can certainly make it happen that you are going to be one of the amazing sponsors for CloudFest very first diversity and pride event.

Robert:
Perfect. I’m very excited about it. Yes, I am helping Carol with that as well. So I do have a vested interest in seeing Rainbow in the cloud be quite successful. I’m thrilled that the CloudFest team has really put their full support and weight behind putting this together. Again, one of the many reasons folks should be attending Cloud Fest in Germany at Europa Park for Americans, Europa Park for everyone else. So we already know how to get ahold of you Carol, so Carol with an e@CloudFest.com. Also the hackathon at hackhackathon.CloudFest.com.

Carole:
Yeah. So yeah, you can always reach us there and get more information and yeah, really, really looking forward to seeing you all there. I can’t wait and I cannot believe that one year has already passed since we were in Europa Park for the last time.

Christian:
I tell you.

Robert:
And I guess Do the Woo has a nice little coupon code for free standard Pass, which is dothewoo with two o’s of course. So we know how to get ahold of Carole at CloudFest. Alain how we get ahold of you, how can we make your life more difficult?

Alain:
I’m probably best reachable on Twitter X @schlessera is my nickname and per email if you want to reach me regarding the CloudFest, it’s Alain.Schlesser@gmail.com.

Robert:
And Christian.

Christian:
Happy for everyone of the folks listening in to join our cloud festival and you can reach me cj@CloudFest.com and really I will be waiting with open arms at the gate Monday latest or for the hackathon on Friday and Saturday. Of course, really looking forward and appreciate the work Carole is doing and Alain are doing. And of course you are doing robot in making all these great community projects are reality. And that’s not only the hackathon, which I told you earlier, I became a super fan without knowing what I’m a fan of the first year. Now I know, of course. And then now we started this rainbow in the cloud initiative, which it shows that the community contributes actively. It’s like an open source B2B festival we are doing in a way. So I really, really, really much looking forward to it. I

Robert:
I love that Christian. I think that is a great way of putting it open source B2B festival. We now know the tagline for 2025

Carole:
And that’s exactly what should happen. That is exactly what should happen. I think there’s so much potential in uniting those both worlds of mine and those both worlds of us and many of the people out there. And yeah, I am an advocate for doing that in the WordPress ecosphere and beyond. Let’s unite the open source and business world. Please.

Robert:
Thank you all so, so much. I am so excited for another edition, seventh edition of CloudFest Hackathon, 25th edition of CloudFest. Everything starts really getting going March 16th and goes a solid week afterwards. So very excited. So you can check out hackathon.CloudFest.com or go directly to CloudFest.com to get more information. And I’m sure there’s some tickets left, but it is going fast and crazy people book this a year in advance. Thank you so much all. Can’t wait to see you in March.

Carole:
See you. Bye.

Christian:
Thank you very much for having us.

Alain:
Thanks everyone.